exp 4pt bonzan
https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompass/comments/x7dqmm/i_ascribe_to_fourth_political_theory_ama/ :
4pt is underdeveloped. In fact the 4pt book calls for the creation of fourth theory, rather than the 4pt being the full thing itself . This fourth theory is an alternative to Communism, Liberalism 2.0 and the whole right wing. Thus I am a hypothetical abstract blank slate Fourth Political theorist and not Alexander Dugin Fourth Political theorist itself. But I think it can count as an ideology, or at least a basis.
The 4pt as it is now has a laser focus for its development in Russia. Alexander Dugin also states that other peoples can have different methods in their own version of the 4pt that is right for them. So besides the hypothetical abstract blank slate 4pt I support above, I also have my model of 4pt which I support as well which can be seen throughout these blogs .
For example, my 4pt model includes anarchic applications (not that I need his permission but Alexander Dugin did express in an interview before that there can be anarchic applications for 4pt models).
At the very least Left Minarchism (which I partly support) can mesh with my model of the 4pt. The 4pt itself says that economics can vary by Dasein (in that which is best for people), and no one system is correct for all, despite the different effects. Though it promotes certain things such as sovereignty, and nationalizing industry important to state security along with syncretic economics which I all include in my 4pt model that I support. Private property within my 4pt model can or cannot exist depending on the context .
The 4th theory isn’t bound by one person (not even Alexander Dugin), nor one society. Asia peoples, for example, would more likely than not be more statist and collectivist in their economy and society. While Europe would be more free market. It doesn’t have to be this way under a 4pt system. The 4pt merely says there is no universally correct answer. Each has its advantages, and certain peoples and more acclimated to certain systems.
Now for Alexander Dugin's 4pt I may not be a supporter of Alexander Dugin's 4pt line of thought (see here for why) but in a strategic way I do draw on the broken clock healthy ideas from that 4pt and then I sanitize those broken clock healthy 4pt ideas with leftism to unite the two and then embrace those sanitized ideas in a pragmatic and tangible way (like here for example) in ways which I align with politically, culturally and at times overriding my other ideas We need healthy ideas from the left and right to unite us. Far center blog Left Authoritarian who is mild mannered and People should build strategic alliances with political, cultural and ideological opponents unknown fringe left and real left fringe left blogs Far Left, 2)Populist , 3)Third Position (including Strasserism , F Yockeyism [including Estoric Fash/L Felton thought] Fascism [mostly economic fiscally], National Bolshevism -Right Nazbol [including K Rodz V Putinism Russia Fash, Nat Communist characteristics]) 4)Fascist Creep, 5)‘Modern Classical Liberal’ i.e Alt Right (both), 6)Blue Collar Caucus other Social Democrat (Austromarxism) Anarcho Libertarian (Left Rothbardian/instinctive Anarcho Libertarian)
The 4pt is heavily critical of others instead of establishing itself more. Though I think it does have an explanation for its philosophy, it accepts that peoples have differing views and ideals for their economic, political, and cultural systems, and so it doesn’t attempt to make a singular overarching goal, other than defeating totalitarians, globalism, universalism, and in general those who kill the diversity of Dasein (peoples, nations, cultures, etc).
Like the 4pt I am fact based, I recognize constructivism, I am really and very syncretic in a way especially as a constructivst.I am not amoral.
Unlike the 4pt I can at best only endure esotericism (and most days outright oppose it) but only under the pretence that I understand that it is esoteric otherwise I am strongly skeptical of esotericism of any sort even at best whether it is religious or spiritual). Like my understanding of quantum mechanics is not good but I esoterically believe some things from it
Or one of Alexander Dugin's examples. Time and history is a social construct. Time could be viewed as circular, progressively etc. False history can be made yet if every person believes it and it is used as a foundation, does it become practically true? So CMRU reflects some of my theories on this (a philosophy book/paper situation concerned with metaphysics.)
My model of 4pt is anti Russia in that it is like playing a TMO Omsk and getting to the end of the run, Yazov comes to see that Karbyshev actually did take his own life. So he adds a FOURTH THESIS on the other main 3 thesis’s of Omsk, being that the Great Trial has to be started by Russia as soon as possible, not only waited for and prepared for. So like rather than a plan to save Russia it becomes a plan to start nuclear war to make there become no Russia
More details about the 4pt ideology can be found here
When I draw healthy ideas from Alexander Dugin's 4pt and mix them with leftism to sanitize them, that said mix comes out like a mix of socialism that is economically radical and culturally conventional-cultural British light nationalism, with patriotic communitarian, one-nation partish (https://www.ebb-magazine.com/essays/social-democracy-and-its-discontents-race-and-class-in-the-fallout-of-the-uk-general-election), National Communism and OUN-M thought (https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/Ultranationalism) Basically something like this
4pt is way less bad than third political theory. I am post-left anarchist/left anarchist/marxian Anarcho Libertarian so the healthy ideas I draw from the 4pt often provide for fierce arguments .
The post-left/left anarchy/marxian Anarcho Libertarianism I support and Alexander Dugin's 4pt share much common ground with the postmodern aspect yet my post left anarchism/left anarchism/marxian Anarcho Libertarianism absolutely differ in its application from the way Alexander Dugin's 4pt is applied.
Edit: he also calls for unity for all those against the west/modernism. So my above comment about common ground has weight.
The post-left/left anarchy/marxian Anarcho Libertarianism I support intersects with Alexander Dugin's in terms of in our philosophies but as a post left anarchist/left anarchist/marxian Anarcho Libertarian I apply such philosophies in vastly different ways than Alexander Dugin's 4pt which i find interesting.
I am not an authoritarian, never have been, but Fourth Political theoriests (including from Alexander Dugin's 4pt) and futurists are the auths i'd say i have the most in common with philosophically.
I’ve had a surprising amount of LibCentres get along with me. Mainly because it’s mostly a different method towards similar values/wants. I have been sent hate mail/messages by authcenters, but its each time the futurists and 4pters who take a liking to me - for the same reason.
Post left anarchists/left anarchists/marxian Anarcho Libertarians like myself and Alexander Dugin's 4pt adherents are guided by philosophers like Heidegger, Max Stirner, Michael Foucault and Jean Baudrillard, but us post left anarchists/left anarchists/marxian Anarcho Libertarians like me differ from Alexander Dugin's 4pt in the way we post left anarchists/left anarchists/marxian Anarcho Libertarians interpret those philosophers and the way we use their methods to analyze the world around us.
Where a Alexander Dugin's 4pt follower would point out social constructs and seek to preserve them, an egoist like me would seek to overrule them in their mind and incorporate them only at their own benefit.
As a post left anarchist/left anarchist/marxian Anarcho Libertarian, my acceptance of that things is more a facing facts, and working from there instead of the Alexander Dugin's 4pt way of thinking this is necessarily a good thing. (But then again, what I think is good is just that; what I think; and I damn well think that)
Post left anarchists/left anarchists/marxian Anarcho Libertarians like myself and Alexander Dugin's 4pt have a similar process of arriving at our conclusion - both of us similarly fact based and amoral while acknowledging the subjectivity of this decision making.
I draw some healthy ideas from the 4pt like corporatism and sanitize them where they come out leftish and as a fusion of cooperativism and *humanistic corpacracy .Such fusion ideas I use is useful for me in criticizing poor and incompetent leadership and also close to the heart of western values/civilization.
That fusion idea I embrace is very practical and functional. But absolute they end up being too Darwinist Left. So these are good healthy ideas I draw from the 4pt I sanitize to move leftward that are alternatives to capitalism but there are better alternatives to outright capitalism than these left wing sanitized healthy 4pt ideas I draw from at times.
I mean me drawing a healthy idea from the 4pt and sanitizing it to make it leftist by simply adding welfare is not a sufficient enough idea to oppose capitalism, but it goes a very long way.
So i draw and sanitize to make left healthy ideas from the 4pt to make an ideal economic model more or less used by me strategically to oppose capitalism/neoliberalism. I have some specifics and other stuff too though. For example, I sometimes sanitize healthy ideas from the 4pt with a guild system installed for independent workers, and a specific system for local council ownership to move such healthy 4pt ideas leftward
Too much regulation also decreases its efficiency though, which is its main advantage. That’s why alternatives, like voting rights from multiple parties (social corporatism fused with Xi Jinping thought/Dengism/China's Social Market economy) should be used to sanitize any healthy 4pt idea to move it leftward.
*Humanistic corpacracy is where the typical roll the state plays is replaced with registered customers. This includes allowing local communities to nationalize, and nationalize more industries nation wide. Like maybe nationalize water, progressively charge for it so it makes money and all who needs water receives it; apply to each utility and infrastructure, maybe even education and healthcare.
Social Distrubitst subreddit I also take a few ideas from SocDist (Social Distributist) ideology that are similar to 4pt and I align them
It is true that Alexander Dugin thought influenced my 4pt views which inspired me to incorporate some of my own political ideas (as mentioned above and below), constructed for the American context, and for me to apply them to a new theory called Social Distributism.
Before I continue, let me be absolutely clear, as pointed out elsewhere: Me nor Social Distributism itself AGREE WITH a lot of things that Dugin has said or has penned and any ty to write me off as disingenuous is not true.
Social Distributism is my a part of my proposed “Fourth Political Theory” meant to challenge the Liberal 2.0 global order, but in particular in the US. The whole notion of the “Fourth Political Theory” is that a new political theory will come about that will challenge Liberalism (now known as Liberalism 2.), such as fascism and communism did previously, but if we are to overcome capitalism we will have to rethink how we conceptualize politics and from this reconfiguration a “fourth” theory gotta rise. Yet, the fourth theory in US will be different in a unique way than it is in Russia, Brazil, China, India, Africa, and vice versa.
The era of “universalist” political systems (systems that have an imperializing essentialism in which countries must either unite or be destroyed) like communism and Liberalism 2.0 needs to end and the global capitalist system has to be replaced by a “multi-polar” world in some way. While the SocDism that I support shares such of these types of ideas, I and SocDism do not share anywhere near all of Alexander Dugin’s ideas, and in some parts I am clearly opposed. Some ideas are embraced such as the ones described above, but that’s largely where the similarities end. Social Distrubitst subreddit
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politicalcompass Alexander Dugin is critical of Nauthtizeism but he has made slip ups in that regard during and after he was a member of the fascist Pamyat society and I disavow him and all of his bigoted views. He also helped inflame modern Russian fascism which is cringe. Hence why I don't support his version of the 4pt or him at all
So I disavow Pamyat and Alexander Dugin and Dugin's 4pt . politicalcompass
https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialDistributism/comments/ro0uux/personal_thoughts_on_aleksandr_dugin_and_his/
BUT :“He is a crypto-fascist! He’s a Nazbol (National Bolshevik)!”
In the past, such as the early to mid 1990’s, Dugin had affiliated himself with the Russian National Bolshevik movement which had some elements of anti-Semitism, nationalism, and by proxy - fascism. However, by the late 1990’s Dugin had distanced himself from the National Bolshevik movement and the racist elements of the far right. In the 2000’s he began incorporating Eurasianism into his theoretical worldview and essentially became the main advocate of the idea of building a Eurasian alliance against that of the dominant western Liberal powers - the USA and UK particularly.
Eventually he theorized what became the Fourth Political Theory which rejects Liberalism, Fascism, and Communism and wants a global anti-imperialist and anti-Liberal struggle against the stranglehold of international capitalism.
He writes, multiple times, in his writings that we must reject racism, Nazi ideas about race, embrace our cultures and our peoples while celebrating and interacting with the immense diversity of peoples who all should have the right to autonomy and self-governance. Some of his ideas would even make anarchists blush in terms of decentralized laocracies. Leftists don’t know what they’re talking about when it comes to Dugin because anyone who reads Dugin gets “fashjacketed” (labeling someone a fascist in order to turn people against them).
This is not a healthy way to discuss or share ideas, this is a way to control and limit what people can learn.https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialDistributism/comments/ro0uux/personal_thoughts_on_aleksandr_dugin_and_his/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialDistributism/comments/ro0uux/personal_thoughts_on_aleksandr_dugin_and_his/ In anarchist and other left groups groups Alexander Dugin is also shunned like a pariah…I will give his work the 4pt a shot (and by extension him) . Though from my vantage point it makes sense. I am just wary of this whole 4pt thing because I’ve heard bad things about him from my comrades but I’ve never seen a lot of leftists defend Dugin.https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialDistributism/comments/ro0uux/personal_thoughts_on_aleksandr_dugin_and_his/
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