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My views on the activism regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict can be found here
My views on Israel in this conflict both pro and con can be found here
My views on Palestine in this conflict both pro and con can be found here
I do not advocate for a particular solution to the I-P conflict and I do not call for either a “one state solution” or a “two state solution”. Instead, I focus on the realization of basic rights and the implementation of international law. I call for respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194. BDS
I do not support one side over the other . I feel Israel and Palestine should work forward to class consciousness over ethnic/religious identity reddit anarchist tankiejerk https://amp.reddit.com/r/tankiejerk/comments/nbp905/what_we_can_do_about_israel_palestine/
More of my views on Israel-Palestine are expressed by others in this thread here (archive) https://archive.ph/N8P17
But there are some ideas for this conflict that I can get behind as I outline here
Since 2003 I have been pro co exist on the Israel-Palestinian conflict . Its just the Israel-Palestine conflict is so deep, complicated, violent and fluid, it's hard to get a handle on that issue (war/conflict is hell)
It is like a tug of war (political analogy i apply here or from here) and it is hard to sort out which side is the aggressor and which side is acting in self defense. It is tit for tat , complex conflict where the lines between aggressor and defender is blurred and involves gray. It is like a chicken or the egg type of conflict
I believe that Benjamin Netanayahu was too tough on Palestine and the Palestinians at times.
But I like the economic Post Zionism of Netanayahu. source wikipedia
Between me supporting the state of Israel existing and the Jewish ruling class and Benjamin Netanayahu‘s economic Post Zionism means by extension I am linked to Benjamin Netanayahu’s Likud making the Avi Moaz of the Noam party the head of Jewish identity in Israel and the Likud party forming a coalition withte Religious Zionist party, Otzma Yehudit and Noam party. But six degrees of seperation is a logical fallacy (association fallacy on steroids) and thus nonsense so i support hard right zionists of Israel which is contrarian and shields me from anti zionist accusations
The Israelis are hero antagonists/heroes of another story and I am not bummed that Israel exists (I am a Post Zionist)
According to Afro Pessimist scholar Frank B Wilderson III Israelis and Palestinians are closer and have more in common with each other than they realize “I was faced with the realization that in the collective unconscious, Palestinian insurgents have more in common with the Israeli state and civil society than they do with Black people. What they share is a largely unconscious consensus that Blackness is a locus of abjection to be instrumentalized on a whim.”
So even the oppressed but nonblack freedom fighter who fights against a white supremacist, settler colonial project (Israel), as Wilderson III claims, has anti-blackness in common with their oppressor. He goes on to claim that the conflict between Israel and Palestine is only intelligible through anti-blackness:
Without the articulation of a common negrophobogenesis that relays between Israel and Palestine, the narrative coherence of their bloody conflict would evaporate. My friend’s and his fellow Palestinians’ negrophobogenesis is the bedrock, the concrete slabs upon which any edifice of Human articulation (whether love or war) is built. Though this piece from Jacobin is a nice counter to this argument
Israel is just a small country the size of New Jersey, why can't Hamas and the Palestinians just let Israel keep all its land and move somewhere else.
The Middle East and North Africa outside of Israel have much more land than Israel. Maybe all Palestinians should just pick up and move to some other place to create their Palestine? Israel claims a divine right to that land, it is futile to think some magical 2 state solution can fix this mess. Israel is a shell of its former self, because before it was destroyed thousand or so years back it was beautiful ,lush and flowing as a land of milk and honey but not anymore, it is barren (source:Pastor John Hagee). Here is a more practical way Israel has regressed too: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-05-12/ty-article/israel-used-to-be-beautiful-then-came-zionism/00000180-d633-d452-a1fa-d7ff23150000
Palestinians should seek out somewhere in the middle East bigger than Israel and as beautiful , lush, milk and honeyish as Israel was thousands of years back (wip)
Seeing Hamas indirectly and directly get so much support from pro Ukraine Leftists and lean Leftists, anti neocon Leftists like Ben Norton, and a significant chunk of the mainstream makes me think maybe I should pull for Israel more than I do now (Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.” -Mark Twain."
Israel could in theory take this war as a chance to take over Gaza, I don't know what to make of that. But maybe I can pull the opposite, being Anti Imperialist and Anti Forward Basing and pro peace (ceasefire) is mainstream enough I can publicly claim that view as my own (in my own pro ceasefire way) without blowback except from neocon Democrats, Republicans and Zionists. Maybe Left Wing Meretz inspired by Kahanism can be the way for me to go?
I agree with this OP post, the linked post and the reactions to said post on the stupidpol reddit reguarding Hamas's attack on Israel in October 2023
I welcome and am supportive of John Kirby helping Israel as a means to an end to then open up diplomatic relations with Palestine and their government after things die down a bit as per fox news oct 23 2023 vid conf 2pm
Fast fact: More civilians have been killed in Gaza the past month than the past year and half in Ukraine. Israel needs to be held to the same standards as other countries. Them being attacked does not give them a right to do this. Some leftists go further and compare Israel to Russia, of course I am like Steven Bonnell's reddit on that point but still Israel needs to be careful about optics at the very least in a tangible way
Some leftists like Vaush fans and Slavo Zizek go further and compare Israel to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine
So let's see, take this article by Haaretz on this comparison with this linked Volodomyr Zelensky quote about being upset that Israel didn't give to Ukraine what he wanted in Ukraine's war with Russia. 'Russia has influence over Israel, leftists like Vaushites and Slavo Zizek are comparing Israel to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine' and wonder about what you read and then form your own conclusion on this comparison
Oh check out this interesting twist to this comparison fun:
The person who wants Palestinians out of Gaza draws a parallel between Ukrainians and Palestians. Both are supposed to leave their motherland and seek refugee somewhere else. Is it an acknowledgment that Israel is like Russia, which makes people displaced, or what?
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Oliver Darko
@oliver_drk
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Nov 11
Replying to @IChotiner
At the end of the day Israelis and Palestinians are stuck with each other. The earlier people recognize this the better.
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But I do get why Destiny subredditors on at least the Vaushites comparison of Israel to Russia and Palestine to Ukraine making them cringe. Not for nothing but I compare Israel more to Jacob and Palestine to Esau ,than drawing a Russia-Ukraine comparison to Israel-Palestine even though as noted above it is tempting to do so.
If I do draw that comparison of Israel-Russia and Palestine-Ukraine, I will say that I support the Israeli and Palestinian citizens and am against the ruling class (i.e leaders/governments Likud and Hamas respectively) in their countries and that I am against the Western NATO like forces forcing Israel and Palestine to fight each other, just like I am against NATO forcing Ukraine and Russia to fight each other
On a related sidenote to the above point I raised, if non moderate , edgy right wingers, hyper right neo naughtzies and left wing anti Israel people talked about Jewish influence , Jewish bots, Jewish propaganda, like the Liberal 2.0ers do with their narratives of Russia influence, Russia bots, Russian propaganda etc, what do you think would happen? So apparently it is fine to be Russophobic? We should reject both Antisemetism/neo Nazism AND Russophobia as mentioned above)
Charlie Kirk is wrongly facing calls to resign from TPUSA along with false accusations of antisemitism after he merely put it out there that Israel might have had foreknowledge of Hamas's attack on his show.
Maybe Israel like the US before 9/11 with Al Qaeda got warnings about Hamas and disregarded them like the US did in 2001 with their intelligence. This would incidate an intelligence failure on the part of Israel not a conspiracy to allow Hamas to attack then stand down for awhile to garner sympathy for Israel and to demonize Palestine as Charlie Kirk was alluding to
But I do NOT support his conspiracy theory that Benjamin Netanyahu or anyone in Israel ordered a stand down to prevent IDF from preventing the attack or getting their earlier to protect the Israelis near Gaza on Oct 7 2023.
If anyone had info of this Hamas attack before it happened AND purposely withheld it is the Liberal 2.0 MSM news orgs mentioned here. The Liberal 2.0 MSM rags mentioned in that link may have actually buried Hamas's plan to attack Israelis so MSM people could demonize Palestine or maybe to simply force a color revolution in Israel against Benjamin Netanyahu
And also to allow for the next major news story to occur (Hamas attack on Israel i.e Israel's 9/11, and the impending onsalught between Israel and Palestine) Nothing says ratings or page views income for rags like like militant attacks (i.e Hamas's attack) against unarmed, non active military civilians (i.e Israelis) and war. So the MSM is our enemy not Israel, not Palestine, not the US government, not the UN/EU .
Kirk is threatening that TPUSA may end their support for Israel if these attacks on him continue and I think he is correct for doing so. But seeing him promote an antisemetic, white nationalist, baseless theory on X in Nov 2023 which trafficked in Daily Stormer talking points, I think some penalty has to come to Charlie Kirk and TPUSA (maybe even the Oct 2023 calls for cancelling Charlie Kirk). At the very least, Israel should restrict Charlie Kirk and TPUSA's presence in Israel and the dark money donors should halt funding TPUSA.
Charlie Kirk and TPUSA have a long road to get back to a point where the ADL and their political machine can accept them back into the fold ("For wide is the gate to redemption for Charlie Kirk and TPUSA and broad is the road for Charlie Kirk and TPUSA that leads to social destruction, and many enter."
nick fuentes Charlie Kirk is wrongly facing calls to resign from TPUSA along with false accusations of antisemitism after he rightfully put it out there that Israel might have had foreknowledge of Hamas's attack on his show. Kirk is threatening that TPUSA may end their support for Israel if these attacks on him continue and I think he is correct for doing so. This is how conservative politics happen: If your support for Israel is not total, blind, and unwavering then you will be called antisemitic and cancelled, regardless of how much you ever supported Israel in the past as Kirk has rightfully done by supporting Israel in the past.
If Saudi Arabia, or UAE or the UK was being funded and had the same relations with the US that the US has with Israel and what happened above with Charlie Kirk happened but not with Israel but with Saudi Arabia, UAE or UK I would say the following:
"This is how conservative politics happen: If your support for Saudi Arabia/UAE/UK is not total, blind, and unwavering then you will be called Anti Arab (i.e Anti Saudi Arabianism/ Anti Emiratism)/ Anti British and cancelled, regardless of how much you ever supported Saudi Arabia/UAE/UK in the past as John Doe has rightfully done by supporting Saudi Arabia/UAE/UK in the past."
But in our timeline, I would harshly disagree with the quote above if it was toward Israel and Jews since I am pro Jewish (I am at least one third Jewish) and pro Israel
I agree with themajorityreport takes on this conflict https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KjkG9nElyM,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-jvrS3MeVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztJyeOKykSw
Found this from Destiny's discord chat: https://cozy.tv/nick/replays/2023-10-11. It is weird when mainstream Progressives, radlib wokies and Nick Fuentes have an unholy understanding on Israel-Hamas conflict and put their differences aside to oppose all forms of Zionism , Israeli occupation and Israel's sinful abuse of Palestinians.
What in the world do these mainstream lean leftists see in Nick to feel ok to come together with him in their above common view on this matter? I think this can be a chance for said left leaning individuals to deradicalize Nick and reprogram him to be mainstream Progressive, here is our chance to move him leftward. I hate how cocky he is in the video and how hard he is on Israel and Jews in it. I have to call a spade a spade here
I support Pro Paleestine protests being banned in France (France is used to doing things like that but that is not why), and in other places they were banned. I am anti trends and anti globalism and pro Palestine protests check off both of those boxes so I have to oppose them
Israel might as well just annex Gaza now after their brutal bombardment and ethnic cleansing of the territory by IDF forces https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/11/06/nnvg-n06.html. In fact we should be urging Israel to annex Gaza and make it part of Israel asap.
I am serious, I would much rather Gaza be given to Israel than for Palestinians to have to go back living there reminded of the terrorist carnage unleashed on them by IDF brutes. Gaza is now a graveyard and the Palestinians in Gaza should leave the area and move on in order to move forward. I do not know where they can move but somewhere far away from Israel because Israel hates Palestinians and as such it is the Palestinians best interest to avoid living near people who want them dead.
If Palestinians move back to Gaza they will be living next to a country (Israel) which has dehumanized them to the max and that thinks they aren't human . They'll be living next to a country that raped their land (Gaza) with their 'counter offensive'. Palestinians need to find a new place in the Middle East where their neighbors won't be like the Israelis are to them
The IDF in an interview I think in Nov 2023 may have let it slip that they feel they are allowed to bombard and butcher Gaza into ruin because to Israel, Hamas attacked Israel first and in line with their whole ' the 'right to self defense narrative' they feel two wrongs make a right. The US and other pro Zionist western countries gave Israel a green light and free pass to bomb Palestine 'back into the stone age' (Christopher Hitchens type thought) and Israel simply took advantage of that.
https://opiniojuris.org/2023/11/09/israels-war-in-gaza-is-not-a-valid-act-of-self-defence-in-international-law/
Francesca Albanese, UN Special Rapporteur oPt
@FranceskAlbs
ON ISRAEL's #SelfDefense
1/Under Int'l Law Israel's actions in Gaza cannot qualify as self-defense
(see thread )
I commend legal scholars as
@ArdiImseis
, who powerfully challenge "Israel's self-defense" narrative (watch video):
youtube.com
Ardi Imseis Al Jazeera English Interview
more here, diff beat though https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/82188/meaning-of-israel-has-right-to-defend-itself, https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/10/10/israel-has-right-to-self-defence-but-some-actions-counter-international-law-borrell
I am fine with Bill Ackman's views in this article https://nypost.com/2023/11/10/business/bill-ackman-says-he-never-made-no-hire-list-after-controversial-harvard-letter/ and I respect his opinion in that article and in some other places in my mind I agree with him, (and really agree with him and NOT in a 'I agree with Bill Ackman on Israel-Hamas but out of spite for his anti free speech, Zionist, NeoconLiberal trolling) See my hyperreal blog sphere for more
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